While it is good Vance has improved a lot since Hillbilly Elegy, the big difference between him and Platner is that he had really lived that life. Having managed a lot of working class whites, I am sympathetic to his opinion many of them aren't even fit to manage their own affairs. You learn this best through experience with them.
I think this is where Vance ended up as he spent more time among elites. He realized that instead of putting pressure on the white working class to improve themselves and society, as past generations of elites would have done, the current crop have only tried to figure out how they can profit on their decline, while possibly doing to things to speed it up because they despise the WWC. A certain percentage appear to believe this atones them from the sins that created their inherited wealth, but that doesn't apply to all of them. I don't know enough about Goad's work to guess where he would have ended up on Vance, but I don't see the people he came from having another option, let alone a better one to embrace as their champion.
Jim lived near me for 20 years in some very screwed-up but somehow stable, extremely minority communities in SE Atlanta and Stone Mountain. We both really liked our neighbors. He was prickly but polite. Understandably, he did not like being recognized. I kept my distance, though we fought once. My only ever act of even pretend violence. He was wearing a shirt that said "rape women," and I had survived an horrific serial killer. Happily for us, as we weakly circled each other, a giant bulldyke named Ria, the bar cook, shook us by our necks and made us make up. The next neeting was a cordial exchange at a Trump rally.
Jim Goad was a damaged man with tremendous writing skill. He's just one iteration of how you emerge from a traumatic childhood. Without detail, I am another. But I could do constructive lobbying and writing for 20 years. Then I went beyond acceptable. He had done it decades before me. The consequences were brutal and destroyed my life and health. The same happenned to him, but he had fewer allies at first. I can't stress the importance of being shunned. These people are fascists. How he held it together for so long was an hero's journey. That's the way to remember him. No safety net. He held it together this long. Nobody knew him except his neighbors. It's a sad day.
"As I wrote here last week, I do not trust the mercurial, roly-poly, rabbi-endorsed Ohio Senator who went through many name changes until he settled on J. D. Vance. Unlike Vance, who seems to change his name and his political sympathies more often than most people change their socks, my opinion of him has remained steadfastly negative since I reviewed his book Hillbilly Elegy six years ago."
Well, the point is that Goad had specific complaints about white working class dispossession that Vance did not address in the book, but now is addressing as a politician. Goad was a very good hater, but he might have changed his mind when he realized this (and also when he saw who else is opposing Vance).
Maybe. Or maybe he'd keep asking why anyone would trust Vance, who will sound like you one day and David French the next. Here's what Vance said in his new book Communion:
"From the intermarriage of the Spanish and native populations in Mexico to the American melting pot of the nineteenth century to the Civil Rights Movement, Christianity has long brought people together. And yet, as our leaders have ushered in an unprecedented increase in demographic diversity through immigration, they have simultaneously discarded the most powerful force for cultural cohesion: Christianity. It is hardly any surprise that the fruits of their labor are rising racial conflict and gender division. Secularism has produced social strife despite its promises of enlightenment."
Where Vance is consistent is the issue he's most obsessed about: Christianity. He wants to resurrect the zombie of Bush-era Christian politics in what's now a much more secular country. Many secular nationalists will struggle to support that, particularly given his commitment to nationalism is itself questionable.
Not only that but his Shekel Godfather is Peter Theil of PayPal and PALANTIR. Palantier the world's most powerful surveillance company run by the JudeoSatanic KARP. An arch demonic jew!
Interesting overview of Vance's background, but glaring omissions, especially of his vassalage to Silicon Valley and Peter Thiel, and of Vance's recent manipulative, fake criticism of Israel's influence on America.
"Thiel later became a “pretty good mentor” to Vance, according to The Washington Post, with Vance making the switch to venture capital and joining the Thiel-co-founded Mithril Capital in 2015 as a partner, according to Politico."
Vance criticized Netanyahu after the fake MOU that Trump signed in Versailles. The Jewish donor class erupted:
"Pro-Israel conservatives have cast doubt on Vance’s leadership — pundit Mark Levin blasted the Vance-negotiated memorandum of understanding with Iran, and former Auburn University basketball coach Bruce Pearl said he won’t support Vance in 2028 unless he breaks with Tucker Carlson. Duvi Honig, founder and CEO of the Orthodox Jewish Chamber of Commerce, penned a Jerusalem Post op-ed criticizing Vance’s stance toward Israel and Iran."
Vance's words are just like Trump's words in the 2024 campaign: No new wars, etc. Bullshit.
Trump's war in Iran has alienated 25% of his GOP supporters and 80% of his independent supporters--probably a good chunk of the hillbilly demographic that Vance is supposed to appeal to. Vance's fake criticism of Israel is an attempt to manipulate those hillbillies to vote Republican in 2028. He'll then turn on them, as Trump did after the election.
But according to Haberman and Swan, Vance did consistently oppose the Iran War from within the Administration. (He also urged invoking the Insurrection Act over the anti-ICE riots in Minnesota). So he does seem to be trying.
He plays whatever role his handlers/funders command, and says whatever they script for him.
When Thiel/Silicon Valley was against Trump, so was Vance:
--"Mr. Trump is unfit for our nation's highest office."
--“I’m a ‘Never Trump’ guy,” Vance said in an interview with Charlie Rose in 2016, while publicizing his memoir “Hillbilly Elegy.” “I never liked him.”
--“My god what an idiot,” Vance tweeted
--Vance once questioned whether Trump could be “America’s Hitler” in a private Facebook message in 2016 to one of his former roommates.
--“Mr. Trump is unfit for our nation’s highest office,” he wrote in the op-ed, describing his own families’ adoration and commitment to Trump.
--“I can’t stomach Trump,” Vance said in an interview with NPR, when describing why he would vote for a third-party candidate. “I think that he’s noxious and is leading the white working class to a very dark place.”
--“I think there’s a chance, if I feel like Trump has a really good chance of winning, that I might have to hold my nose and vote for Hillary Clinton.”
At the same time, Vance is OWNED by Zionist tech Israeli, Thiel.
--2022 Senate race, Thiel made a down payment for Vance's hillbilly soul: $15 million for his Ohio Senate race.
So, yeah, right, Vance is against the war on Iran. Just like he was against Trump.
Don't be fooled by fancy southern-accented bullshit talk.
Jefferson had a black mistress and you don’t get more ‘Founding’ than him. Further, the term Founding Fathers dates back only to Warren Harding in the 1920s who first popularized that ridiculous term. The states, not individuals, founded the Union. That’s what it was, a union of states not a collection of especially wise men. Who knows how many of the early conventioneers had relations with a slave or an Indian but relations with the latter were more frequent than people think. Then there is all of the Spanish DNA showing up in the oldest families. Why? Because the British downplayed the remaining Spanish presence which still shows up in the oldest families as far north at TN.
Given the duration of Vance’s family in North America odds are that the total amount of his family’s White DNA in North America vastly exceeds that of those who might complain about his choice of spouse.
Vance’s mother’s family (the Vance’s) first arrived in southwest VA after the Revolution and eventually made their way to the place where many of his ancestors are buried on the North Fork of the KY River. The route they took is not known to me exactly but is easily guessed, I know he has distant relations in Kingsport TN, Bristol TN and Abingdon VA areas where the family first settled before heading East (there’s even a large rd in Abingdon just south of Hwy 81 with the name Vance’s Mill Rd) and a tributary of the North Fork of the KY River is located a short distance up a mountain ridge near Kingsport TN and just on the other side. People on this site would be pleasantly shocked (I believe) to learn just how conservative generations of his family from NE TN and SW VA have been. Based on those I know I’d be surprised if the majority of his KY relations over the last 6-8 generations since the Revolution didn’t fit a similar profile.
When I see Vance I see generations of highly functional conservative minded people not just the most immediate preceding generation.
The founding fathers of this country were white. They specifically stated that they wanted America to be a nation of white Europeans. They would have been aghast if they saw an American patriot marrying a brown woman from India.
Here’s a link to a webpage regarding Zebulon Vance, Civil war governor of N. Carolina. Please scroll down to the heading “Chiidhood” and look at the photo of Governor Vance and notice the dark eyelashes on the lower eye that even 19th century photography can’t obscure. Then help put this eyeliner slur back in the cave it crawled out of.
Vance has landed where he excels, politics and a liaison to the richest and most powerful amongst us. These are not ethically edifying stations in life but he senses correctly where power flows from. His whole life is a tortured nuanced barely referred to compromise. I personally doubt he will succeed in subsuming a formidable challenge in Marco Rubio, a surprisingly effective interlocuter of conservative positions and one not hamstrung by shifting contradictions, fealties, name changes, and eye makeup. My 2 cents.
"Goad outlined where he thought Vance was deficient…But subsequently Vance has emerged as an articulate immigration patriot. He’s been particularly effective in defending the pro-Redneck agenda suggested by Jim Goad: i.e. tightening up the labor market. Vance not only opposed Trump’s attack on Iran—but also more importantly, urged the invocation of the Insurrection Act in Minnesota."
While it is good Vance has improved a lot since Hillbilly Elegy, the big difference between him and Platner is that he had really lived that life. Having managed a lot of working class whites, I am sympathetic to his opinion many of them aren't even fit to manage their own affairs. You learn this best through experience with them.
I think this is where Vance ended up as he spent more time among elites. He realized that instead of putting pressure on the white working class to improve themselves and society, as past generations of elites would have done, the current crop have only tried to figure out how they can profit on their decline, while possibly doing to things to speed it up because they despise the WWC. A certain percentage appear to believe this atones them from the sins that created their inherited wealth, but that doesn't apply to all of them. I don't know enough about Goad's work to guess where he would have ended up on Vance, but I don't see the people he came from having another option, let alone a better one to embrace as their champion.
Jim lived near me for 20 years in some very screwed-up but somehow stable, extremely minority communities in SE Atlanta and Stone Mountain. We both really liked our neighbors. He was prickly but polite. Understandably, he did not like being recognized. I kept my distance, though we fought once. My only ever act of even pretend violence. He was wearing a shirt that said "rape women," and I had survived an horrific serial killer. Happily for us, as we weakly circled each other, a giant bulldyke named Ria, the bar cook, shook us by our necks and made us make up. The next neeting was a cordial exchange at a Trump rally.
Jim Goad was a damaged man with tremendous writing skill. He's just one iteration of how you emerge from a traumatic childhood. Without detail, I am another. But I could do constructive lobbying and writing for 20 years. Then I went beyond acceptable. He had done it decades before me. The consequences were brutal and destroyed my life and health. The same happenned to him, but he had fewer allies at first. I can't stress the importance of being shunned. These people are fascists. How he held it together for so long was an hero's journey. That's the way to remember him. No safety net. He held it together this long. Nobody knew him except his neighbors. It's a sad day.
Goad said this about Vance in 2024:
"As I wrote here last week, I do not trust the mercurial, roly-poly, rabbi-endorsed Ohio Senator who went through many name changes until he settled on J. D. Vance. Unlike Vance, who seems to change his name and his political sympathies more often than most people change their socks, my opinion of him has remained steadfastly negative since I reviewed his book Hillbilly Elegy six years ago."
https://www.unz.com/article/j-d-vance-defends-his-remarks-about-childless-cat-ladies/
Given Goad's negative view of Christianity, I would bet he'd be even more hostile to the man today.
Well, the point is that Goad had specific complaints about white working class dispossession that Vance did not address in the book, but now is addressing as a politician. Goad was a very good hater, but he might have changed his mind when he realized this (and also when he saw who else is opposing Vance).
Maybe. Or maybe he'd keep asking why anyone would trust Vance, who will sound like you one day and David French the next. Here's what Vance said in his new book Communion:
"From the intermarriage of the Spanish and native populations in Mexico to the American melting pot of the nineteenth century to the Civil Rights Movement, Christianity has long brought people together. And yet, as our leaders have ushered in an unprecedented increase in demographic diversity through immigration, they have simultaneously discarded the most powerful force for cultural cohesion: Christianity. It is hardly any surprise that the fruits of their labor are rising racial conflict and gender division. Secularism has produced social strife despite its promises of enlightenment."
Where Vance is consistent is the issue he's most obsessed about: Christianity. He wants to resurrect the zombie of Bush-era Christian politics in what's now a much more secular country. Many secular nationalists will struggle to support that, particularly given his commitment to nationalism is itself questionable.
Not only that but his Shekel Godfather is Peter Theil of PayPal and PALANTIR. Palantier the world's most powerful surveillance company run by the JudeoSatanic KARP. An arch demonic jew!
I'd rather be ruled by Theil and Karp than by superstitious medieval peasants who are afraid of their own shadows.
In that case you have been GOYed.
"...superstitious medieval peasants who are afraid of their own shadows."
Who might they be?
Medieval peasant religiously motivated antisemites.
Oh, come on. That's Monty Python level stuff. We live in the Mr. Bean age. And even the old Pythoners are defending England now.
Medieval peasant antisemites.
I see.
Ever consider moving to Israel?
Interesting overview of Vance's background, but glaring omissions, especially of his vassalage to Silicon Valley and Peter Thiel, and of Vance's recent manipulative, fake criticism of Israel's influence on America.
"Thiel later became a “pretty good mentor” to Vance, according to The Washington Post, with Vance making the switch to venture capital and joining the Thiel-co-founded Mithril Capital in 2015 as a partner, according to Politico."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoniopequenoiv/2024/07/16/jd-vance-and-peter-thiel-what-to-know-about-the-relationship-between-trumps-vp-pick-and-the-billionaire/
Vance criticized Netanyahu after the fake MOU that Trump signed in Versailles. The Jewish donor class erupted:
"Pro-Israel conservatives have cast doubt on Vance’s leadership — pundit Mark Levin blasted the Vance-negotiated memorandum of understanding with Iran, and former Auburn University basketball coach Bruce Pearl said he won’t support Vance in 2028 unless he breaks with Tucker Carlson. Duvi Honig, founder and CEO of the Orthodox Jewish Chamber of Commerce, penned a Jerusalem Post op-ed criticizing Vance’s stance toward Israel and Iran."
https://www.politico.com/news/2026/07/13/vance-israel-alienating-jewish-gop-donors-00994154
Vance's words are just like Trump's words in the 2024 campaign: No new wars, etc. Bullshit.
Trump's war in Iran has alienated 25% of his GOP supporters and 80% of his independent supporters--probably a good chunk of the hillbilly demographic that Vance is supposed to appeal to. Vance's fake criticism of Israel is an attempt to manipulate those hillbillies to vote Republican in 2028. He'll then turn on them, as Trump did after the election.
But according to Haberman and Swan, Vance did consistently oppose the Iran War from within the Administration. (He also urged invoking the Insurrection Act over the anti-ICE riots in Minnesota). So he does seem to be trying.
Vance is a political/social/personal chameleon.
He plays whatever role his handlers/funders command, and says whatever they script for him.
When Thiel/Silicon Valley was against Trump, so was Vance:
--"Mr. Trump is unfit for our nation's highest office."
--“I’m a ‘Never Trump’ guy,” Vance said in an interview with Charlie Rose in 2016, while publicizing his memoir “Hillbilly Elegy.” “I never liked him.”
--“My god what an idiot,” Vance tweeted
--Vance once questioned whether Trump could be “America’s Hitler” in a private Facebook message in 2016 to one of his former roommates.
--“Mr. Trump is unfit for our nation’s highest office,” he wrote in the op-ed, describing his own families’ adoration and commitment to Trump.
--“I can’t stomach Trump,” Vance said in an interview with NPR, when describing why he would vote for a third-party candidate. “I think that he’s noxious and is leading the white working class to a very dark place.”
--“I think there’s a chance, if I feel like Trump has a really good chance of winning, that I might have to hold my nose and vote for Hillary Clinton.”
At the same time, Vance is OWNED by Zionist tech Israeli, Thiel.
--2022 Senate race, Thiel made a down payment for Vance's hillbilly soul: $15 million for his Ohio Senate race.
So, yeah, right, Vance is against the war on Iran. Just like he was against Trump.
Don't be fooled by fancy southern-accented bullshit talk.
I think Vance has stability and promise. I mourn Goad, a much more honest and intelligent man, but politics isn't about those things.
Right. (Although I think Vance is pretty smart).
Wait. Am I missing something? J D Vance is anti white race hater. A Race Rat. He is a miscegenator married to a dark dotted Indian piss drinker. 🤮
But I've known a lot of ardent Zionists married to gentile wives.
What is the point of being opposed to mass immigration, when Vance marries a brown person from INDIA?
Do you realize that by doing so that he is carrying out the Kalergi Plan of misceginating the white race out of existence.
Jefferson had a black mistress and you don’t get more ‘Founding’ than him. Further, the term Founding Fathers dates back only to Warren Harding in the 1920s who first popularized that ridiculous term. The states, not individuals, founded the Union. That’s what it was, a union of states not a collection of especially wise men. Who knows how many of the early conventioneers had relations with a slave or an Indian but relations with the latter were more frequent than people think. Then there is all of the Spanish DNA showing up in the oldest families. Why? Because the British downplayed the remaining Spanish presence which still shows up in the oldest families as far north at TN.
Given the duration of Vance’s family in North America odds are that the total amount of his family’s White DNA in North America vastly exceeds that of those who might complain about his choice of spouse.
Individual patriotic men founded America not land masses called states.
As regards Jefferson' s despicable intercourse with a black slave, he kept that as a dirty secret that he was rightly shamed of.
As for Spain, aren't the Spanish people white?
Individual patriotic men founded America not land masses called states.”
Can you hear yourself in your head making dumb comments before you write them?
I think I could have worded that better. Never mind.
Vance’s mother’s family (the Vance’s) first arrived in southwest VA after the Revolution and eventually made their way to the place where many of his ancestors are buried on the North Fork of the KY River. The route they took is not known to me exactly but is easily guessed, I know he has distant relations in Kingsport TN, Bristol TN and Abingdon VA areas where the family first settled before heading East (there’s even a large rd in Abingdon just south of Hwy 81 with the name Vance’s Mill Rd) and a tributary of the North Fork of the KY River is located a short distance up a mountain ridge near Kingsport TN and just on the other side. People on this site would be pleasantly shocked (I believe) to learn just how conservative generations of his family from NE TN and SW VA have been. Based on those I know I’d be surprised if the majority of his KY relations over the last 6-8 generations since the Revolution didn’t fit a similar profile.
When I see Vance I see generations of highly functional conservative minded people not just the most immediate preceding generation.
The founding fathers of this country were white. They specifically stated that they wanted America to be a nation of white Europeans. They would have been aghast if they saw an American patriot marrying a brown woman from India.
Here’s a link to a webpage regarding Zebulon Vance, Civil war governor of N. Carolina. Please scroll down to the heading “Chiidhood” and look at the photo of Governor Vance and notice the dark eyelashes on the lower eye that even 19th century photography can’t obscure. Then help put this eyeliner slur back in the cave it crawled out of.
https://alchetron.com/Zebulon-Baird-Vance
Vance has landed where he excels, politics and a liaison to the richest and most powerful amongst us. These are not ethically edifying stations in life but he senses correctly where power flows from. His whole life is a tortured nuanced barely referred to compromise. I personally doubt he will succeed in subsuming a formidable challenge in Marco Rubio, a surprisingly effective interlocuter of conservative positions and one not hamstrung by shifting contradictions, fealties, name changes, and eye makeup. My 2 cents.
"Goad outlined where he thought Vance was deficient…But subsequently Vance has emerged as an articulate immigration patriot. He’s been particularly effective in defending the pro-Redneck agenda suggested by Jim Goad: i.e. tightening up the labor market. Vance not only opposed Trump’s attack on Iran—but also more importantly, urged the invocation of the Insurrection Act in Minnesota."